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               Art 
                    and Science combine to image what cannot be seen.
 
 
            
             
              An 
                    interview with David Goodsell by Mary K. Miller
             
            
            
             
 
            
             David 
                    Goodsell is a molecular biologist and associate professor 
                    at Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California. His 
                    lab researches drug resistance in HIV, which involves studying 
                    both the structure and function of molecules involved in the 
                    disease. With funding from the National Science Foundation, 
                    Goodsell also writes and creates the illustrations for a column 
                    called "
             
              Molecule 
                    of the Month
             
             " for the
             
              Protein 
                    Data Bank
             
             , an archive of the 3-D protein structures of 
                    18,000 different molecules. This resource is used by structural 
                    chemists, biomedical researchers, geneticists, and educators.
             
 
            
             Professor 
                    Goodsell has also had a lifelong passion for art. His paintings, 
                    drawings, and computer-generated illustrations of molecules 
                    and cells have been displayed in galleries and featured on 
                    the covers of magazines and science journals. Goodsells 
                    illustrations are based on scientific data from a variety 
                    of sources, including scientific papers, micrographs of individual 
                    molecules, and information about molecular structures gained 
                    from X-ray crystallography. His representations of cells are 
                    both accurate and beautiful. He is the author and illustrator 
                    of several books, including the upcoming "Bionanotechnology: 
                    Lessons from Nature" (Wiley and Sons, 2002).
            
            
            
             Goodsells 
                    artwork is featured in the "
             
              How 
                    Does a Muscle Work?
             
             " poster.
            
            
            
             
              Mary 
                    K. Miller:
             
             Your artwork opens a new world, something that 
                    cant really be seen even with a microscope. How much 
                    of this new view is artistic interpretation and how much is 
                    scientific data?
             
 
            
             
              David 
                    Goodsell:
             
             Were at a stage in the science where a 
                    lot of the major molecular structures are known, but there 
                    are gray areas. Probably two-thirds of the molecules 
                    structures are known. For the others, I have to speculate 
                    about their size or even the fact that they exist. When I 
                    draw these pictures, I try to imagine what it would be like 
                    inside a cell with molecules and other structures close to 
                    their proper shapes and dimensions. I think this adds more 
                    complexity and maybe a little more realism than previous pictures. 
                    When other people have attempted to draw cells at the level 
                    Im doing, they simplify things by using circles and 
                    triangles to point out areas of uncertainty. Ive resisted 
                    that because it breaks the illusion that this is a photograph 
                    or a direct representation. When I made that decision, it 
                    opened the possibility of errors being introduced, but most 
                    of my scientific colleagues understand why Im doing 
                    that.
             
 Miller:
             
             Is it an aesthetic or scientific choice to 
                    add that realism to your illustrations?
 Goodsell: That definitely comes from science. Its just 
                    in the past decade or so that weve been able to do that 
                    because we have so many known structures. But the real challenge 
                    is that when I draw one of those pictures I go to each individual 
                    reference, pull out each individual structure, and combine 
                    them all.
 
 
            
             
              Miller:
             
             Do you consider your computer-generated images as artistic 
                    or aesthetically pleasing as your painted or hand-drawn pictures?
            
            
            
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                Goodsell 
                          combines information from many sources to create illustrations. 
                          He starts with electron micrographs. Here is a transmission 
                          electron micrograph (TEM) of an Escherichia coli bacterium, 
                          magnified 120,000 times.
               
               
                
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                oodsell 
                          then looks for molecules individual structures. 
                          On the left (above) are proteins, bound within the cell 
                          membrane, that are involved in energy production. The 
                          molecules in the center are involved in protein production. 
                          On the right is a DNA strand with several proteins involved 
                          in reading genetic information.
               
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                Finally, 
                          Goodsell places all the structures in the proper places, 
                          creating an image of the cell showing all the molecules, 
                          such as in this illustration of an E. coli bacterium.
               
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                      Micrograph 
                                  courtesy of University of California, Berkeley, 
                                  Department of Molecular & Cell Biology, 
                                  Instructional Laboratory Program. Illustrations 
                                  courtesy of David Goodsell.
                     
                    
                   
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              Goodsell:
             
             I try to blur the line between the two. In my computer pictures 
                    I go for a style that is reminiscent of my hand-drawn style 
                    and vice versa. That being said, I certainly put a lot more 
                    of myself into my paintings and hand-drawn pictures. The paintings 
                    also contain more speculation than the computer pictures. 
                    The computer renderings are based directly on data and could 
                    be used for anything from a textbook to a general science 
                    magazine to a journal article. Because there is more speculation 
                    in the paintings, theyre used more as an introduction 
                    rather than to explain something directly.
             
 
            
             
              Miller:
             
             Most people think that science and art operate in completely 
                    different realms, but you manage to combine them. Does the 
                    combination of art and science together contribute more to 
                    your pictures than either alone would do?
             
 
            
             
              Goodsell:
             
             One thing Ive noted is that scientists and artists are 
                    different. When I go to a scientific conference, the scientists 
                    tend to be very confrontational. Everyone is questioning your 
                    results, which is the way science works. If your results dont 
                    make it, there was something wrong. When I go to artistic 
                    conferences, everyone is walking in with their approach to 
                    the subject and they tend to be much more supportive. There 
                    isnt as much questioning because its more of a 
                    personal interpretation of what youre doing.
             
 
            
             In 
                    my own work, the combination of art and science gives me a 
                    way to access the wonder of nature. It makes me really look 
                    at results and think about them in a deeper way. The thing 
                    that drives me continually is the beauty of these objects 
                    that Im working on and being amazed at how unusual they 
                    are. Thats something most scientists dont spend 
                    much time on, coming up with ways to display their work that 
                    captures their excitement about science.
             
 
            
             
              Miller:
             
             In your scientific work, what is the relationship between 
                    form and function in understanding how proteins and other 
                    biological molecules work?
             
 
            
             
              Goodsell:
             
             Its like understanding any piece of machinery. You have 
                    to know what it looks like and how its different parts interact 
                    with other parts, the other molecules. The study of structure 
                    also allows us to go in and make changes. For instance, in 
                    my HIV research thats exactly what we dowe look 
                    at the structure of one of the viral proteins called protease. 
                    Protease cuts other proteins into pieces, a key step in the 
                    ability of HIV to mature in the cell. Because we know the 
                    structure and function of protease, we can design a new molecule 
                    that will go in and block its ability to chop up other proteins. 
                    Thats where the
             
              Protein 
                    Data Bank
             
             comes in handyfor finding molecules that 
                    have specific shapes and functions. There are all kinds of 
                    different molecules in there, some of which are very useful.
             
 
            
             
              Miller:
             
             In your books and in your Web column, you seem to also have 
                    developed your literary talents. Is writing for the general 
                    public something thats difficult for a scientist?
             
 
            
             
              Goodsell:
             
             Most scientists, its true, are hopelessly mired in jargon. 
                    Its useful for communicating with people who are in 
                    the same field. For me, writing for a broader audience is 
                    much more recent, starting with my books. I was really lucky 
                    to have a mentor in this at UCLA, Richard Dickerson, who was 
                    my graduate advisor. He has a long history of really taking 
                    the time to think about who hes writing for and encouraging 
                    his students to do the same. Its a real challenge, trying 
                    to reach a general audience, but its really, really 
                    satisfying.
             
 
            
             
              Miller:
             
             Do you consider it a bigger achievement if one of your paintings 
                    lands on the cover of American Scientist magazine than if 
                    one of your scientific articles were appearing inside the 
                    journal?
             
 
            
             
              Goodsell:
             
             Im more proud of my pictures, because theyre an 
                    expression of me. Dick (Dickerson) who I learned everything 
                    from, once told me that as a scientist you have to divorce 
                    your feelings from your work, so you can stand up to criticism 
                    and not take it personally. I try to exercise that with all 
                    of my research, but I dont do that with my pictures. 
                    They are uniquely me, and when someone makes a comment about 
                    them theyre making a comment about my aesthetics. They 
                    are closer to an expression of what I feel.
             
 
            
             
              Miller:
             
             Any last thoughts?
             
 
            
             
              Goodsell:
             
             Just the general concept that people are starting to think 
                    more about art and science together. My science colleagues 
                    are much more likely to go to an artist or illustrator to 
                    present their work and artists are going more and more to 
                    scientists to understand these concepts and fold them into 
                    their own work. Artists want to understand more about the 
                    research because there are real implications for society and 
                    they want to comment on that and make the issues clearer for 
                    the public. So the lines are blurring, or at least the sides 
                    are more and more willing to talk. Its an exciting time 
                    for all of us.
            
            
            
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             This 
                    story originally appeared in the Cells issue of the "Exploratorium 
                    Magazine."
            
            
            
             
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